The Pathfinder

My chat conversation with kelvin, I dont know where to save it. But his advice cannot be ignored, so ill save it in my blog, as my reference as a newbie in photography.

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(03:48:11 PM) (R) kelchai: hi arif
(03:48:12 PM) (R) kelchai: how is ur DXX?
(03:48:20 PM) Achmad Arif: hi kelvin
(03:48:31 PM) Achmad Arif: ok
(03:48:37 PM) Achmad Arif: but i havent fully test it
(03:48:40 PM) Achmad Arif: kelvin
(03:48:57 PM) Achmad Arif: how to create HDR pic
(03:48:58 PM) (R) kelchai: u guys in Hanoi all play DSLR oledi ar?
(03:48:59 PM) (R) kelchai: haha
(03:49:00 PM) Achmad Arif: using DXX
(03:49:09 PM) (R) kelchai: use photomatrix
(03:49:12 PM) Achmad Arif: normally how you do it ?
(03:49:16 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(03:49:20 PM) (R) kelchai: use s/w to do it
(03:49:22 PM) Achmad Arif: i have it already ptomatix
(03:49:28 PM) (R) kelchai: got 2 method:
(03:49:29 PM) Achmad Arif: but its just to compose the image
(03:49:37 PM) Achmad Arif: how ya
(03:49:49 PM) (R) kelchai: 1. take 3 diff exposure of photo and combine it in photoshop
(03:50:07 PM) Achmad Arif: ..
(03:50:10 PM) Achmad Arif: ok
(03:50:19 PM) (R) kelchai: 2. shoot in RAW, re-create the photo with 3 diff exposure, then combine it in photoshop again
(03:50:30 PM) Achmad Arif: hmmm i see
(03:50:48 PM) Achmad Arif: normally how you create 3 diff exposure
(03:50:51 PM) Achmad Arif: do you use the
(03:50:54 PM) Achmad Arif: bracketing
(03:50:57 PM) Achmad Arif: BKT function
(03:51:10 PM) (R) kelchai: yes
(03:51:11 PM) Achmad Arif: i use that one, then i use the
(03:51:15 PM) (R) kelchai: tat is for this purpose
(03:51:16 PM) (R) kelchai: http://flickr.com/photos/kelchai/2821714388/in/set-72157605540750143/
(03:51:23 PM) (R) kelchai: my tis photo use BKT
(03:51:40 PM) (R) kelchai: hand held
(03:51:48 PM) (R) kelchai: with continuous shooting mode
(03:51:51 PM) Achmad Arif: wahhh
(03:51:52 PM) (R) kelchai: no tripod used
(03:51:54 PM) Achmad Arif: very nice
(03:51:57 PM) Achmad Arif: very sharp
(03:52:15 PM) (R) kelchai: keke
(03:52:17 PM) Achmad Arif: so you use Bracket
(03:52:22 PM) Achmad Arif: and then
(03:52:28 PM) (R) kelchai: yes
(03:52:30 PM) Achmad Arif: u used 3 image in bracket or 2 ?
(03:52:40 PM) Achmad Arif: imean DXX can 2image +
(03:52:42 PM) Achmad Arif: or 2 image -
(03:52:46 PM) Achmad Arif: or 3 image right
(03:52:53 PM) (R) kelchai: but in certain condition, where i cannot use hand held BKT, i will shoot in RAW
(03:53:00 PM) (R) kelchai: 3
(03:53:03 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(03:53:13 PM) Achmad Arif: i used 3 image and use raw
(03:53:21 PM) Achmad Arif: not needed actually ya
(03:53:22 PM) Achmad Arif: )
(03:53:34 PM) (R) kelchai: one under-expose, one normal, one over-expose
(03:53:41 PM) (R) kelchai: no
(03:53:47 PM) Achmad Arif: you use apperture 2 is it ?
(03:53:53 PM) Achmad Arif: apperture 2 for those bracket
(03:54:11 PM) (R) kelchai: no
(03:54:15 PM) Achmad Arif: owh
(03:54:18 PM) (R) kelchai: i prefer photomatrix
(03:54:24 PM) (R) kelchai: more dramatic feel
(03:54:26 PM) Achmad Arif: ???
(03:54:29 PM) Achmad Arif: i dont understand
(03:54:29 PM) (R) kelchai: or photoshop
(03:54:34 PM) Achmad Arif: what do you mean
(03:54:35 PM) (R) kelchai: more realistic feel
(03:54:57 PM) (R) kelchai: i meant the s/w used to generate the HDR
(03:55:07 PM) Achmad Arif: hmmm
(03:55:15 PM) Achmad Arif: i use photomatix also but still not
(03:55:20 PM) Achmad Arif: very good
(03:55:34 PM) (R) kelchai: need to do tuning
(03:56:14 PM) Achmad Arif: in the
(03:56:19 PM) Achmad Arif: BTK
(03:56:27 PM) Achmad Arif: we can use dial command right
(03:56:35 PM) Achmad Arif: the back and the front one
(03:56:48 PM) (R) kelchai: oh
(03:56:50 PM) Achmad Arif: if i switch the back one it will select how many photo you want to take
(03:56:55 PM) (R) kelchai: tat one is to set ur setting
(03:57:02 PM) Achmad Arif: but the front one is to set the apperture is it ?
(03:57:09 PM) (R) kelchai: got 2 funtional only
(03:57:15 PM) (R) kelchai: 1. select the no. of copy
(03:57:16 PM) Achmad Arif: normally the front one is for what ya
(03:57:22 PM) (R) kelchai: 2. select the +- EV value
(03:57:27 PM) Achmad Arif: owh ya EV
(03:57:35 PM) Achmad Arif: normally you set the EV to howmuch ya ?
(03:58:37 PM) (R) kelchai: depends on the lighting condition
(03:58:48 PM) (R) kelchai: normally +-2 is enuf
(03:59:07 PM) (R) kelchai: u need to learn n see the lights
(03:59:14 PM) (R) kelchai: the ambient light i meant
(04:00:02 PM) Achmad Arif: what is ambient light
(04:00:21 PM) Achmad Arif: normally night scene homuch the light u used
(04:00:22 PM) Achmad Arif: ?
(04:00:26 PM) (R) kelchai: the available light
(04:00:41 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:00:42 PM) Achmad Arif:
(04:00:47 PM) (R) kelchai: at nite go home sleep, there is not enuf of light for photography
(04:00:58 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:01:05 PM) (R) kelchai: for HDR i meant
(04:01:19 PM) (R) kelchai: at nite must play with long shutter speed
(04:01:39 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:01:48 PM) Achmad Arif: there are 4 mode
(04:01:53 PM) Achmad Arif: P,S,A,M
(04:02:00 PM) Achmad Arif: normally u use which one ya ?
(04:02:44 PM) (R) kelchai: 75% i use A, 20% M, 5% S
(04:03:00 PM) (R) kelchai: the most important is M,A,S only
(04:03:13 PM) (R) kelchai: if A kenot achieve wat i wan, then i will use M
(04:03:23 PM) (R) kelchai: S is for panning
(04:03:35 PM) (R) kelchai: shooting race car, or water fall
(04:03:50 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:03:54 PM) Achmad Arif: wahhh thanks for the tip
(04:03:55 PM) Achmad Arif: hmmmm
(04:04:17 PM) Achmad Arif: u use tripod to take HDR ?
(04:04:19 PM) (R) kelchai: no prob
(04:04:26 PM) Achmad Arif: or just by hand ?
(04:04:31 PM) (R) kelchai: if got time then we can organise a photo trip
(04:04:33 PM) (R) kelchai: kekeke
(04:04:36 PM) Achmad Arif: yeah
(04:04:37 PM) Achmad Arif: love too
(04:04:40 PM) (R) kelchai: normally is hand
(04:04:47 PM) (R) kelchai: lazy carry ripod
(04:04:53 PM) Achmad Arif: *soo chee said he also want to join
(04:04:54 PM) Achmad Arif:
(04:05:10 PM) Achmad Arif: wah what is your focal length
(04:05:11 PM) Achmad Arif: ?
(04:05:13 PM) (R) kelchai: chee haven’t bought his D80
(04:05:25 PM) (R) kelchai: now i got 2 lenses
(04:05:28 PM) Achmad Arif: he is still hunting
(04:05:32 PM) (R) kelchai: Nikon 18-200mm VR
(04:05:36 PM) (R) kelchai: Nikon 50mm f1.8
(04:05:46 PM) (R) kelchai: and Tamron 17-50mm f2.8
(04:05:48 PM) Achmad Arif: wahhh
(04:05:51 PM) Achmad Arif: you are rich
(04:06:02 PM) Achmad Arif: how much you bought that one ?
(04:06:46 PM) (R) kelchai: 18-200mm RM2600++
(04:06:46 PM) Achmad Arif: wah you have wide angle and zoom one
(04:06:52 PM) (R) kelchai: Tamron RM1500++
(04:07:01 PM) (R) kelchai: 50mm the cheapest
(04:07:03 PM) (R) kelchai: RM370
(04:07:11 PM) (R) kelchai: i got 2 flash gun
(04:08:17 PM) Achmad Arif: wah what flash gun for ?
(04:08:52 PM) Achmad Arif:
(04:08:57 PM) Achmad Arif: wah need learn a lot
(04:09:09 PM) (R) kelchai: Flash GUn is a magic
(04:09:13 PM) Achmad Arif: ???
(04:09:17 PM) Achmad Arif: what do you mean ?
(04:09:20 PM) (R) kelchai: it make ur photo looks great
(04:09:22 PM) (R) kelchai: kekeke
(04:09:30 PM) Achmad Arif: ???
(04:09:38 PM) (R) kelchai: Flash gun is external flash
(04:09:48 PM) (R) kelchai: we call it speedlight in Nikon
(04:09:56 PM) (R) kelchai: Canon call it SpeedLite
(04:10:35 PM) Achmad Arif: this flash gun
(04:10:43 PM) Achmad Arif: is attached to your camera ?
(04:11:22 PM) Achmad Arif: ahhh i see
(04:11:26 PM) Achmad Arif: external flash
(04:11:28 PM) (R) kelchai: yes
(04:11:46 PM) (R) kelchai: bcoe the internal flash kenot bounce
(04:12:01 PM) (R) kelchai: tat’s why we need ext flash to play with the bounce light
(04:12:50 PM) Achmad Arif: u use flash light or play with shutter speed normally
(04:12:50 PM) Achmad Arif: ?
(04:13:15 PM) (R) kelchai: depends on the lens tat i have n the ambient light
(04:13:37 PM) (R) kelchai: if i dun have f2.8 lens, i will need Speedlight
(04:13:51 PM) (R) kelchai: to help as a fill in light
(04:14:00 PM) (R) kelchai: for indoor event for example
(04:14:10 PM) (R) kelchai: like tis pic
(04:14:11 PM) (R) kelchai: http://flickr.com/photos/kelchai/3173312721/sizes/l/
(04:14:24 PM) (R) kelchai: the flash is bounce off ceiling
(04:14:32 PM) (R) kelchai: to create a natural lighting effect
(04:14:46 PM) (R) kelchai: direct flash is owes too harsh
(04:15:14 PM) Achmad Arif: ywah
(04:15:15 PM) Achmad Arif: wahhh
(04:15:20 PM) Achmad Arif: right
(04:15:26 PM) Achmad Arif: very nice one
(04:15:41 PM) Achmad Arif: direct flash will blackout the background already
(04:16:08 PM) (R) kelchai: direct flash will blown out the face, and got shadow
(04:16:39 PM) Achmad Arif: yeah
(04:16:47 PM) Achmad Arif: so how you set the flash
(04:16:54 PM) Achmad Arif: do you targetit to ceiling
(04:16:56 PM) Achmad Arif: ?
(04:17:07 PM) Achmad Arif: how about outside scenary
(04:17:09 PM) Achmad Arif: i mean
(04:17:13 PM) Achmad Arif: let say outdoor
(04:17:15 PM) Achmad Arif: in evening
(04:17:18 PM) (R) kelchai: normally 45″
(04:17:23 PM) (R) kelchai: or 60″
(04:17:30 PM) (R) kelchai: point to ceiling
(04:17:44 PM) (R) kelchai: outdoor then need diffuser
(04:17:52 PM) Achmad Arif: diffuser ???
(04:17:53 PM) Achmad Arif: what is that
(04:17:54 PM) Achmad Arif: ?
(04:17:56 PM) (R) kelchai: cos ceiling too heigh
(04:18:03 PM) Achmad Arif: yeah
(04:18:06 PM) (R) kelchai: impposible to bounce back
(04:18:09 PM) Achmad Arif: yeah
(04:18:11 PM) Achmad Arif: impossible
(04:18:16 PM) Achmad Arif: so how you do it
(04:18:17 PM) Achmad Arif: /
(04:18:18 PM) Achmad Arif: ?
(04:18:34 PM) (R) kelchai: use diffuser
(04:18:42 PM) (R) kelchai: some sort of reflector
(04:18:51 PM) (R) kelchai: like bring the ceiling down
(04:18:52 PM) (R) kelchai: haha
(04:18:56 PM) Achmad Arif: ahhhh
(04:18:59 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:18:59 PM) (R) kelchai: or use name card
(04:19:06 PM) Achmad Arif: just like the one in the studio
(04:19:10 PM) Achmad Arif: what name card ?
(04:19:20 PM) (R) kelchai: but the effect will not as good as bounce light
(04:19:27 PM) (R) kelchai: bounce light is still the best
(04:19:36 PM) (R) kelchai: any white color card
(04:19:41 PM) Achmad Arif: ??
(04:19:44 PM) Achmad Arif: i dont understand
(04:19:44 PM) (R) kelchai: attach to the speedlight
(04:19:53 PM) Achmad Arif: owhhh
(04:19:55 PM) Achmad Arif: i seee
(04:20:08 PM) (R) kelchai: u will understand once u understand light
(04:20:08 PM) Achmad Arif: tomake the light bounce to the object
(04:20:12 PM) (R) kelchai: tat is slowly man
(04:20:17 PM) Achmad Arif: yeah
(04:20:20 PM) (R) kelchai: it is hard to learn all in one day
(04:20:22 PM) Achmad Arif: i need to learn a lot
(04:20:35 PM) Achmad Arif: i even still need to learn to operate the camera )
(04:20:37 PM) Achmad Arif: =))
(04:20:48 PM) (R) kelchai: ya
(04:20:53 PM) (R) kelchai: never too late to learn
(04:21:08 PM) Achmad Arif: how long have you been learning this ?
(04:21:08 PM) (R) kelchai: juz need to remember tat
(04:21:12 PM) Achmad Arif: what is that
(04:21:13 PM) Achmad Arif: ?
(04:21:16 PM) (R) kelchai: photography is an expensive hobby
(04:21:18 PM) (R) kelchai: hahaha
(04:21:22 PM) Achmad Arif: yeah =))
(04:21:22 PM) (R) kelchai: no joking
(04:21:43 PM) Achmad Arif: and im started to drown in it (
(04:21:45 PM) (R) kelchai: u will ended up all ur income will goes to photography equipment
(04:21:54 PM) Achmad Arif: (
(04:22:03 PM) Achmad Arif: no kiddin
(04:22:05 PM) Achmad Arif: no kidding
(04:22:10 PM) Achmad Arif: just now i bought tripod
(04:22:12 PM) (R) kelchai: the next things u need to buy is speedlight, then f2.8 lens..
(04:22:17 PM) Achmad Arif: wah cost expensive already
(04:22:21 PM) Achmad Arif: (
(04:22:42 PM) (R) kelchai: how much?
(04:22:53 PM) Achmad Arif: i bought chinese made tripod
(04:22:59 PM) Achmad Arif: cost around 750.000 dong
(04:23:08 PM) Achmad Arif: quite sturdy but not too heavy
(04:23:25 PM) Achmad Arif: i want to take the honkiam lake
(04:23:28 PM) Achmad Arif: evening scene
(04:23:28 PM) (R) kelchai: RM how mcuh?
(04:23:34 PM) Achmad Arif: but my hand is moving
(04:23:36 PM) Achmad Arif: i need tripod
(04:23:44 PM) Achmad Arif: hmmm
(04:24:04 PM) Achmad Arif: 43USD
(04:24:14 PM) Achmad Arif: 147 RM
(04:24:23 PM) (R) kelchai: wow
(04:24:30 PM) (R) kelchai: still ok
(04:24:31 PM) Achmad Arif: cheap
(04:24:32 PM) Achmad Arif: ?
(04:24:35 PM) (R) kelchai: must be solid one
(04:24:36 PM) Achmad Arif: expensive?
(04:24:41 PM) Achmad Arif: quite solid
(04:24:52 PM) Achmad Arif: but not that solid like the other model
(04:24:58 PM) (R) kelchai: reasonable i guess
(04:25:02 PM) Achmad Arif: got very very very sturdy one
(04:25:07 PM) Achmad Arif: around 1.1 million dong
(04:25:11 PM) Achmad Arif: but very very heavy
(04:25:15 PM) (R) kelchai: ya
(04:25:16 PM) Achmad Arif: like 3kg
(04:25:20 PM) (R) kelchai: some more than RM1k
(04:25:25 PM) Achmad Arif: wahhh
(04:25:55 PM) Achmad Arif: too heavy
(04:26:01 PM) Achmad Arif: and difficult to bring it
(04:26:03 PM) (R) kelchai: u can buy the nikon 50mm f1.8
(04:26:05 PM) Achmad Arif: so i dont take it
(04:26:08 PM) (R) kelchai: to learn wat is DOF
(04:26:13 PM) Achmad Arif: what is DOF ?
(04:26:16 PM) Achmad Arif: what is DOF ?
(04:26:21 PM) (R) kelchai: Depth of Field
(04:26:29 PM) Achmad Arif: what is that ?
(04:26:47 PM) (R) kelchai: photography is abt lights, DOF and composition
(04:26:50 PM) Achmad Arif: if the f is larger what does it means actually ?
(04:27:01 PM) (R) kelchai: these 3 things is very important to make a good photos
(04:27:05 PM) Achmad Arif: …
(04:27:19 PM) (R) kelchai: f larger mean aperture larger
(04:27:27 PM) (R) kelchai: mean higher DOF
(04:27:30 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:28:09 PM) Achmad Arif: if apperture larger what is the meaning
(04:28:10 PM) (R) kelchai: e.g if i focus u, u become very sharp, and the background will very blur
(04:28:10 PM) Achmad Arif: ?
(04:28:17 PM) Achmad Arif: yes
(04:28:18 PM) Achmad Arif: correct
(04:28:30 PM) Achmad Arif: i like to do that
(04:28:33 PM) (R) kelchai: mean the DOF is very Narrow
(04:28:39 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:28:41 PM) (R) kelchai: only one point is sharp
(04:28:45 PM) Achmad Arif: ahhh
(04:28:46 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:28:47 PM) (R) kelchai: the rest all blur
(04:28:50 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:29:06 PM) Achmad Arif: i like to that with my camera
(04:29:09 PM) Achmad Arif: i zoom the model
(04:29:14 PM) Achmad Arif: and focus on that model
(04:29:19 PM) Achmad Arif: hence the background is blur
(04:29:27 PM) (R) kelchai: ya
(04:29:36 PM) Achmad Arif: but i need to zoom it first
(04:29:37 PM) (R) kelchai: DOF can be archieve with 2 way
(04:29:41 PM) (R) kelchai: one if the f
(04:29:51 PM) (R) kelchai: the other one is the Focal Length
(04:29:58 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:30:04 PM) Achmad Arif: the f means ?
(04:30:08 PM) (R) kelchai: the more u zoom, there more narrow DOF oso
(04:30:13 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:30:13 PM) (R) kelchai: f= aperture
(04:30:17 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:30:33 PM) Achmad Arif: what is the relation f and DOF then
(04:31:00 PM) Achmad Arif: you mean if i set dof to lower scale
(04:31:07 PM) Achmad Arif: i can achieve same thing
(04:31:10 PM) (R) kelchai: the bigger the f, the narrow the DOF
(04:31:12 PM) Achmad Arif: like i did
(04:31:14 PM) Achmad Arif: owh …
(04:31:15 PM) Achmad Arif: i seee
(04:31:25 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:31:36 PM) (R) kelchai: but not all condition u can zoom..
(04:31:43 PM) Achmad Arif: …
(04:31:55 PM) (R) kelchai: tat’s why fast lens f2.8 come into play
(04:32:12 PM) Achmad Arif: why you said fast lest is f2.8
(04:32:21 PM) Achmad Arif: is that means the fast lens DOF is high ?
(04:32:40 PM) (R) kelchai: DOF is narrow
(04:32:55 PM) Achmad Arif: …
(04:32:58 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:33:13 PM) Achmad Arif: so back to nikon 50mm f1.8
(04:33:30 PM) Achmad Arif: it sounds for high DOF
(04:33:39 PM) Achmad Arif: but the focal length is very less
(04:33:45 PM) Achmad Arif: its for wide angle is it ?
(04:34:11 PM) (R) kelchai: no
(04:34:15 PM) (R) kelchai: tis is prime lens
(04:34:22 PM) (R) kelchai: meant the FL is fixed
(04:34:26 PM) (R) kelchai: u kenot zoom
(04:34:34 PM) (R) kelchai: u need to zoom with ur leg
(04:34:45 PM) Achmad Arif: hehehe
(04:34:49 PM) Achmad Arif: ahhh
(04:34:54 PM) Achmad Arif: i dont like that
(04:34:56 PM) Achmad Arif: )
(04:35:12 PM) Achmad Arif: why you need this kind of lens ?
(04:35:18 PM) (R) kelchai: but the prime lens imange quality is the best
(04:35:22 PM) Achmad Arif: ahhhh
(04:35:33 PM) (R) kelchai: the lens is already fixed
(04:35:45 PM) (R) kelchai: u know the lens is made from a lot of glasses
(04:36:03 PM) (R) kelchai: one lens may be 15 glass elements inside
(04:36:15 PM) (R) kelchai: when u zoom, the glass element will move
(04:36:42 PM) (R) kelchai: the imange quality is depends on the glass element
(04:37:03 PM) (R) kelchai: not every position will get the best image quality out
(04:37:27 PM) Achmad Arif: ahhhh
(04:37:33 PM) Achmad Arif: i did not know that …
(04:37:36 PM) (R) kelchai: prime lens is different, the glass elements if fixed, so u owes get the best photo quality
(04:37:58 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:38:08 PM) Achmad Arif: is it the apperture f1.8 also fixed ?
(04:38:24 PM) (R) kelchai: nope
(04:38:25 PM) Achmad Arif: does it means this prime lens also fix the apperture ?
(04:38:27 PM) Achmad Arif: ahhhh
(04:38:28 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:38:31 PM) (R) kelchai: u can use till f32
(04:38:35 PM) Achmad Arif: i see
(04:39:25 PM) Achmad Arif: how much this lens price
(04:39:48 PM) Achmad Arif: nvm i will find it in lowyat
(04:39:53 PM) Achmad Arif: wahhh .. my list is growing already
(04:39:57 PM) Achmad Arif: )
(04:40:06 PM) Achmad Arif: i was planning to buy bag first
(04:40:18 PM) Achmad Arif: and then zoom lens
(04:40:27 PM) Achmad Arif: now lookslike i need this kind of lens also
(04:40:28 PM) (R) kelchai: bag still enuf to use
(04:40:30 PM) (R) kelchai: keke
(04:40:33 PM) Achmad Arif: yeah
(04:40:38 PM) Achmad Arif: but my bag sooooo lauzy
(04:40:41 PM) Achmad Arif: got it free
(04:40:49 PM) Achmad Arif: i think the shop give me second one
(04:40:55 PM) (R) kelchai: the more important is to think of how to improve ur photos
(04:40:59 PM) Achmad Arif: i cannot say anything bec they give it to me free
(04:41:03 PM) Achmad Arif: yeah
(04:41:08 PM) (R) kelchai: buy wat equipment to improve the photos..
(04:41:13 PM) Achmad Arif: i got photomatix already at least
(04:41:26 PM) Achmad Arif: tonite i will start to get some honkiam lake HDR
(04:41:42 PM) Achmad Arif:
(04:41:54 PM) Achmad Arif: wahhh thanks kelvin
(04:41:59 PM) Achmad Arif: learn a lot
(04:42:04 PM) Achmad Arif: i need this kind of advice
(04:42:19 PM) Achmad Arif: also admire your photos
(04:42:24 PM) Achmad Arif: good quality one
(04:42:28 PM) (R) kelchai: no prob
(04:42:40 PM) (R) kelchai: still learning
(04:42:50 PM) (R) kelchai: still saving for my dream lenses
(04:42:51 PM) (R) kelchai: kekeke
(04:42:58 PM) Achmad Arif:
(04:43:20 PM) Achmad Arif: good luck … thanks a lot
(04:43:54 PM) (R) kelchai: u r welcome
(04:44:01 PM) (R) kelchai: have a nice weekend!